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		<title>Happy Thanksgiving!</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To all my American friends and family, Happy Thanksgiving!
To all my British friends and family, Happy Thursday. Except to those in the Year 4 class at St. Leonard&#8217;s Primary School (Langho &#38; Billington). They are celebrating Thanksgiving today as well and have been studying it for a week. They invited me in as an &#8216;American [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ramblingsfromredrose.wordpress.com&blog=2846194&post=1019&subd=ramblingsfromredrose&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>To all my American friends and family, Happy Thanksgiving!</p>
<p>To all my British friends and family, Happy Thursday. Except to those in the Year 4 class at <a href="http://lancashire.schooljotter.com/stleonards">St. Leonard&#8217;s Primary School</a> (Langho &amp; Billington). They are celebrating Thanksgiving today as well and have been studying it for a week. They invited me in as an &#8216;American expert&#8217; and asked some great questions about the holiday and showed me all the work they have been creating. Great stuff!</p>
<p>Also, our visa and passports came in yesterday. We are now settled residents of the United Kingdom. How appropriate that on the day we celebrate English leaving for America (well, sort of)!</p>
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		<title>Standing on Principles &#8211; Prostitutes and Lottery Tickets</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today was Ministerial Synod day in North Lancashire. One of the topics for discussion was the church&#8217;s outreach to the community. I have struggled with the way the church will go the more social services route without the calling to conversion, but today that isn&#8217;t what has me thinking. Our district chair, Stephen Poxon, mentioned [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ramblingsfromredrose.wordpress.com&blog=2846194&post=1014&subd=ramblingsfromredrose&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Today was Ministerial Synod day in North Lancashire. One of the topics for discussion was the church&#8217;s outreach to the community. I have struggled with the way the church will go the more social services route without the calling to conversion, but today that isn&#8217;t what has me thinking. Our district chair, Stephen Poxon, mentioned two ways in which churches choose to outreach and asked the question &#8216;Do we stand on principles or provide services for the community actually needs?&#8217; (He may have mentioned more than two, but these were the to that grabbed me:</p>
<p>1) Like village churches, village shops are increasingly unable to sustain viability in small communities. Many people bemoan the loss (but, like it is with churches, you ask, &#8216;did you ever go?&#8217; and they say, &#8216;No. I go to ASDA or Tesco.&#8217;) Some churches have stepped in and provided space for the shop. The problem, Stephen says, is for the shop to be successful, the shop needs to sell lottery tickets and alcohol.</p>
<p>2) A safe space for sex workers. Stephen noted the need for many women (or at least most of the church&#8217;s targets have been the female sex trade workers) for the social aspect in a non-judgmental and non-working (I don&#8217;t remember Stephen&#8217;s exact phrase) environment.</p>
<p>As I listened to Stephen (who asked the question &#8211; principles or service) I found myself wanting to stand on principles for the first, but I am fine with the second. At first, I didn&#8217;t know why, and I am still trying to work this out.</p>
<p>In the first scenario, I admit my own ambivalence generally with the alcohol issue. Though I am opposed to these &#8217;special cases&#8217; the Methodist Church seems to be able to find. As most know, Methodist Churches do not allow alcohol on their premises except in certain places. The biggest example is Westminster&#8217;s Central Methodist Hall, which can serve alcohol because their building is in part used as a conference venue. If alcohol is banned everywhere else, I don&#8217;t see what point we are making by allowing it to be served in this circumstance. I think it should be one way or the other.</p>
<p>But, the lottery is a case that I do feel strongly about, and I am in agreement with the Methodist Church&#8217;s stance on this and have sympathy with those Methodists who refuse even to buy the raffle ticket at the church fair. The Lottery is a pipe dream that causes people to waste money. I do not want this sold on our church property. I remember the story that the coordinator for Habitat for Humanity in the Charleston (SC) area told: a young mother slapped her child&#8217;s hand when he went for a 50 cent candy bar, saying &#8216;We can&#8217;t afford that.&#8217; And then she handed over $20 (ish) for lottery tickets. These are needs the church provides for in selling lottery tickets?</p>
<p>For the second, I have no problem providing women a safe and non-judgmental space where they can be free to talk to people in a different environment, and I see no step down from our principles. I see this as giving people a glimpse of what it means to be truly human, rather than a commodity that is bought and sold. Constantly telling them that their sinners and God hates their activity doesn&#8217;t do much to alleviate the notions of commodity. God doesn&#8217;t view them as people whom he will only love if they give up this lifestyle. God love them where they are and wants them to see themselves differently. This type of outreach can do just that without pushing.</p>
<p>These are just my thoughts &#8211; the conversations (though these are general issues facing the church) were confidential, so I won&#8217;t say anything other than these are my thoughts. I would be interested to hear any thought about how we make a balance on outreach and principles. I would be interested in hearing any opposing views on the issues above (I&#8217;m not above being told I am wrong or self-sanctimonious!).</p>
<p><em>N.B. Stephen Poxon merely brought this up &#8211; he was not making a judgment on anything, so please don&#8217;t take I am criticising him. I applaud him for bring them up.</em></p>
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		<title>Suggestions for Advent Antiphon Prayer Stations?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s Sunday evening, and theologically, I don&#8217;t have much thoughts. So, still not writing much.
I am thinking about Advent. I am organising an Advent Quiet Day for the circuit on a Saturday in December and have been tossing around in my head some thoughts for themes. I really like what is often called the &#8216;O [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ramblingsfromredrose.wordpress.com&blog=2846194&post=1012&subd=ramblingsfromredrose&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>It&#8217;s Sunday evening, and theologically, I don&#8217;t have much thoughts. So, still not writing much.</p>
<p>I am thinking about Advent. I am organising an Advent Quiet Day for the circuit on a Saturday in December and have been tossing around in my head some thoughts for themes. I really like what is often called the &#8216;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_antiphon">O Antiphons</a>&#8216; Advent (what the hymn &#8216;<a href="http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/o/c/ocomocom.htm">O Come, O Come Immanuel</a>&#8216; is based on). I don&#8217;t think they get enough exposure in the Protestant church (outside of the aforementioned song, and even then it wasn&#8217;t until recently that I knew that&#8217;s what the song was). I love their beauty and what they teach about Jesus as we pray for these different aspects of him to come.</p>
<p>Anyway, I was thinking I could use these &#8216;O Antiphons&#8217; as the basis for some prayer stations for the Quiet Day. But, at the moment, I am stuck.</p>
<p>Do any of you have any ideas?</p>
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		<title>John Strikes Back at the Empire, Kim Promotes Learning Doctrine, and Richard on Climate Change Myths</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no desire today to write anything theological, so I am going to give the nod to some others who are writing some good stuff:
Richard Hall at Connexions gives us 10 myths about Climate Change. Well worth a read &#8211; I in particular resonate with the issues of trust he speaks about.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>I have no desire today to write anything theological, so I am going to give the nod to some others who are writing some good stuff:</p>
<p>Richard Hall at Connexions gives us <a href="http://theconnexion.net/wp/?p=6136">10 myths about Climate Change</a>. Well worth a read &#8211; I in particular resonate with the issues of trust he speaks about.</p>
<p>Also at Connexions, Kim Fabricius expounds on an excerpt from Stanley Hauerwas on the importance of Christian doctrine and its impact on <a href="http://theconnexion.net/wp/?p=6304">ministerial formation</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, John Muenier takes on Walter Brueggeman and his comments on <a href="http://johnmeunier.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/the-empire-as-boogie-man/">America as empire</a> and I think asks some good questions, especially in the area of thinking about what does Christian community look like when they want it to stand up to the empire. I don&#8217;t know if I necessarily agree with John&#8217;s conclusions, but I think it&#8217;s always good to question assumptions I have.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Cameron, Conservative Party leader and for all intents and purposes our next prime minister, gave an interview about his faith, which was picked up by Christian Today. In the article he is quoted as saying:
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p><a href="http://www.conservatives.com/People/David_Cameron.aspx">David Cameron</a>, Conservative Party leader and for all intents and purposes our next prime minister, gave an <a href="http://www.christiantoday.co.uk/article/teachings.of.jesus.are.a.good.guide.to.life.says.cameron/24555.htm">interview</a> about his faith, which was picked up by <a href="http://www.christiantoday.co.uk/">Christian Today</a>. In the article he is quoted as saying:</p>
<blockquote><p>I think that it&#8217;s perfectly possible to live a good life without having faith, by which I mean a positive and altruistic life, but I think the teachings of Jesus, just as the teachings of other religions are, a good guide to help us through.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to make light of the faith Mr. Cameron has, nor doubt his sincerity. He mentions the death of his eldest son and the pain that caused, so the fact that he can talk about his faith positively at all I find encouraging. I hope it delves deeper.</p>
<p>The faith he describes, though, is the self-help variety, and is not found exclusively in the Church of England. Listening to many evangelicals, I hear similar messages, if perhaps laced with more bible verses. God and the teachings of Jesus help us to be better people and hence have a good life. I guess it depends on what kind of life you mean.</p>
<p>The problem is that Jesus&#8217; teachings don&#8217;t promise the kind of life I think most of us look for when we seek out a guide. Most of the books in the self-help section that promise a guide to life show us how to make more money, how to move up in a job, or how to have a better family life. Even on the family life, Jesus sounds different than what most parenting books say. If you are looking to have a comfortable, easy life with plenty in your retirement savings and a life where you can have upward mobility, I doubt Jesus is who your looking for.</p>
<p>Jesus is looking for much more than being a self-help guru, but calls us to follow him. Following him means something very different to living simply a &#8216;good life&#8217; (positive and altruistic, in Mr. Cameron&#8217;s definition). Jesus was looking to overturn the world and bring a new creation. The Old Testament lesson for this week (<a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=124843943">Hannah&#8217;s Song from 1 Samuel</a>) gives us us the &#8216;party policy&#8217; Jesus wants. And it&#8217;s not easy. It makes me squirm and want to turn to a self-help Jesus.</p>
<p>So here are a couple of Jesus&#8217; statements from the &#8216;guide to life&#8217; that I would like to see Mr. Cameron use as he enters office next summer:</p>
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<li><em>Love your enemies.</em> How do you create a foreign policy based on that?</li>
<li><em>Sell all that you own and distribute the money to the poor.</em> Will this be considered sound economic policy?</li>
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<p>What are some teachings of Jesus (or the &#8216;good guide&#8217;)  you would like to see the Conservative Party use as the basis of their policies?</p>
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		<title>The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for they had an idea for a souvenir shop</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m starting to think about Christmas. I realise that this won&#8217;t be the first Christmas post for some, but I haven&#8217;t seen many about Christmas items in my newsreader yet. I get excited this time of year, even when I want to scream out against the commercialisation and my liturgical side wants to keep the [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ramblingsfromredrose.wordpress.com&blog=2846194&post=1001&subd=ramblingsfromredrose&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;m starting to think about Christmas. I realise that this won&#8217;t be the first Christmas post for <a href="http://theconnexion.net/wp/?p=6151">some</a>, but I haven&#8217;t seen many about Christmas items in my newsreader yet. I get excited this time of year, even when I want to scream out against the commercialisation and my liturgical side wants to keep the focus on Advent (even though I love the Christmas decorations already out and I have already got my first Christmas recipe themed coffee from Starbucks).</p>
<p>Speaking of the commercialisation of Christmas, I remembered one of my favourite photos I took in Bethlehem earlier in the year, which you have no doubt already seen because it&#8217;s right there on the page. The shop is right across the street from the entrance to the Roman Catholic Shepherds&#8217; Field on the outskirts of Bethlehem. There&#8217;s a small cave with a chapel inside, said to be the place where the shepherds were huddled together the night the angels spoke. It was one of my favourite stops on our tour, and surprisingly so.</p>
<p>Our guide (a Palestinian Roman Catholic) answered questions about the poverty of the Palestinians and the wall built by the Israelis, forcing many into the role of outcast. He then moved straight into the story of shepherds, who were the poor and illiterate outcasts of their day. Our guide&#8217;s reminder: the poor and outcasts were waiting for the messiah, also. It was a Christmas Eve sermon I wished I could preach.</p>
<p>Of course, you leave the gates of Shepherds Field and you are right back into the commercialisation of Christmas! I love how the shepherds are following a star and the star guides them to&#8230; their very own souvenir shop!</p>
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		<title>A Follow-Up on Messianic Judaism</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my last post on Messianic Judaism, I mentioned an article by Jason Byasee, of Leadership Education at Duke Divinity. He was kind enough to email me and mention an article he wrote on Messianic Judaism a few years ago for the Christian Century. In it he notices the problem I posed the other day, [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ramblingsfromredrose.wordpress.com&blog=2846194&post=995&subd=ramblingsfromredrose&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>In my last <a href="http://ramblingsfromredrose.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/christian-or-christ-follower-in-messianic-judaism/">post</a> on Messianic Judaism, I mentioned an article by Jason Byasee, of Leadership Education at Duke Divinity. He was kind enough to email me and mention <a href="http://www.christiancentury.org/article.lasso?id=2511">an article he wrote on Messianic Judaism a few years ago for the <em>Christian Century</em></a>. In it he notices the problem I posed the other day, but that&#8217;s not what the article is about. He writes about the struggles of those who call themselves Messianic Jews and the tumultuous relationships they have with both other Jewish groups and (other?) Christian groups. It&#8217;s very interesting and well worth a read if you want to know more:</p>
<blockquote><p>Jarvis, Leighton and Winner all recognize that for Jews the Christian appropriation of Jewish faith is a source of anguish. It reminds them of centuries of persecution and forced conversions. Jews often regard a Jew&#8217;s conversion to Christianity as a &#8220;posthumous victory for Hitler.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet for Messianic Jews, these arguments beg the question. Messianic Jews claim still to be Jews. The ones I spoke with at Avodat and elsewhere spoke of their obligation to marry other Jews and raise their children as Jews. They pointed out that while other Jews may not recognize the validity of Messianics Jews&#8217; Jewishness, such division is not unusual: some of the various branches of Judaism in the U.S. don&#8217;t recognize each other&#8217;s Jewishness either. Messianic Jews say their relationships with other Jews, even other rabbis, are much better than the statements of Jewish spokespersons and watchdog groups would suggest.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read today an article by Jason Byassee, &#8216;Not a Christian, But a Christ-Follower?&#8216;. It&#8217;s an interesting article that calls into questioning some who want to rid themselves of Christian baggage (i.e., all that a particular person doesn&#8217;t like about other Christians &#8211; crusades, conservatives, liberals, etc.) and say something to the effect of, &#8216;No, [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ramblingsfromredrose.wordpress.com&blog=2846194&post=991&subd=ramblingsfromredrose&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>I read today an article by Jason Byassee, &#8216;N<a href="http://www.outofur.com/archives/2009/11/not_a_christian.html">ot a Christian, But a Christ-Follower?</a>&#8216;. It&#8217;s an interesting article that calls into questioning some who want to rid themselves of Christian baggage (i.e., all that a particular person doesn&#8217;t like about other Christians &#8211; crusades, conservatives, liberals, etc.) and say something to the effect of, &#8216;No, I&#8217;m not a Christian; I&#8217;m a Christ-follower.&#8217; (Random aside to <a href="http://johnmeunier.wordpress.com/2009/11/02/maybe-it-is-just-me/">John Meunier</a>: did I use the semicolon correctly there? I never know when it&#8217;s appropriate.) In his article, he says that we can&#8217;t just disown each other by changing our label:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">This is the part that really irks me the most on eschewing “Christian.” It’s as though we get off scot-free for historical Christian sins (the crusades, racism, you name it) by just calling ourselves something else. Christians believe there is a way to forgiveness and purity—but it passes through confession, restoration, and repaired relationship. The much more costly way to disassociate from those who have done ill in Christ’s name is to set about loving as fanatically as they hated.</p>
<p>I agree with him, and appreciate in particular what he says about the way to purity.</p>
<p>As I read, I thought about those who call themselves Messianic Jews (Jews who believe Jesus is the Messiah) and they call themselves that refusing to call themselves Christians. Or at least some of them. I admit I know very little about Messianic Judaism. The little I do know is from those I met in Christian chat rooms or online forums, which isn&#8217;t much. And usually I simply got messages that told me I didn&#8217;t understand, which there may have been some truth to it. But, I did feel  determination to be separate from the rest of us.</p>
<p>Certainly what Jason says (above, and his commentary on the body of Christ in the article) would apply to Messianic Jews as well as Jesus&#8217; &#8216;Gentile followers&#8217;. If anyone has any thoughts on this, I would be interested in hearing about it.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[My friend Sarah McGiverin has started blogging at Jerusalem to Jericho. So, this gives me the opportunity to point you to a new blog that I hope you&#8217;ll read. Sarah and I spent long conversations trying to hammer out theology, and I am very glad to see she&#8217;s going to be sharing it online.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>My friend Sarah McGiverin has started blogging at <a href="http://jerusalemtojericho.wordpress.com/">Jerusalem to Jericho</a>. So, this gives me the opportunity to point you to a new blog that I hope you&#8217;ll read. Sarah and I spent long conversations trying to hammer out theology, and I am very glad to see she&#8217;s going to be sharing it online.</p>
<p>In her latest <a href="http://jerusalemtojericho.wordpress.com/2009/11/02/childrens-bible-stories/">post</a>, she writes on something that has been on my mind increasingly: children&#8217;s bible stories. She describes the state of most the children&#8217;s bibles in stores today:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">Story lines are altered to suit rhyming schemes, works righteousness abounds, God is everywhere “He,” and the single thrust of most every story is that it is our bounden duty to tell everyone that Christ died to save them from damnation – even if the story is from the Old Testament. (See, for instance, Arch Books’ <em>Zerubbabel Rebuilds the Temple</em>.)</p>
<p>She goes on to admit what a lot of us think: the bible is simply not child-friendly. A lot of effort will have to go into changing the stories to at least make them readable to children. Noah and the ark comes out more funny floating zoo, leaving out the destruction of all creation. And what about the stories we dare not use with adults, much less children? (E.g., the rape of Tamar, etc.) Some of the stories in this book are just plain awful.</p>
<p>For our part, April and I have introduced Savannah to <a href="https://bigidea.com/">VeggieTales</a>. She has taken to them as much as Bob the Builder and In the Night Garden. Watching these stories has brought me to something of a crisis in thinking, what exactly is she learning about the Bible? Veggies leaves out the more grisly bits of most stories and all have some sort of moral kids are supposed to learn. In Rach, Shack, and Benny, the lesson is &#8216;don&#8217;t go along with everyone else&#8217;. In Dave and the Giant Pickle, it&#8217;s &#8216;with God little guys can do big things too&#8217;. Not all Bible stories stay within their context &#8211; Mo and the Big Exit (the Exodus story) is a western. Some of it can be very cringe-worthy. How will this first encounter with the Bible affect her?</p>
<p>Yet, Savannah does love the Veggies. In particular, the Queen Esther story has stuck with her. It is by far the best of the bunch, anyway. OK, it send Haaman to the Island of Perpetual Tickling rather than hanging him from the gallows, but it sticks well with the story in Esther. Also, this episode is the least moralizing &#8211; the summary is simply &#8211; God uses people at the right place at the right time (a decent account of Mordecai&#8217;s &#8211; Morgapie to Savannah &#8211; words, &#8216;<a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=124250415">for such a time as this</a>&#8216;). One night, I showed her the story of Queen Esther in her children&#8217;s bible and she made the connection instantly. Now she asks for that story every night when we read the Bible (and she has to kiss Esther&#8217;s picture, too). VeggieTales has given her a love for the stories in the Bible that I do want her to have. I hope she will grow up to read the story of Esther deeper, and move on from the VeggieTales/Sunday school version she has now.</p>
<p>Which brings me to an aside: I am not a big fan of the treatment VeggieTales gave to the Exodus. But, I will say this for them. One scene caught me off guard and really touched me. I was interested in how they would handle the final plague. In it, the river rises and all the first born children get taken away (the assumption is they died, but it doesn&#8217;t actually say that). The narrator calls this the saddest of all the plagues and then cuts to Larry the Cucumber (Mo) who looks downcast as he watches. He then still looking very sad, quietly goes to the Mayor (Pharaoh), doesn&#8217;t say a word and the Mayor tells him to get out and take the people with him.  Why do I bring this up? I don&#8217;t remember ever hearing this story told in a way that it was heartbreaking to God and Moses. It was always a triumphant moment for God and Moses and a big cheer for them. I wonder if that speaks to the shallow way most children&#8217;s book handle the stories in the Old Testament. How many of us actually grew out of the &#8216;Sunday school&#8217; version of the stories to think about them differently?</p>
<p>Sarah calls for more stories that can be more subtle, and she names Tolkien as a writer who illustrates Christian themes without being too direct. In the runup to Christmas, I think of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Charlie_Brown_Christmas"><em>A Charlie Brown Christmas</em></a>. Though it does have Linus telling the Christmas story, it never gives the moralising this is what you do now. The story itself causes Charlie Brown to act and even the others to see what he was trying to do. Even more subtly is Dr. Suess&#8217;s <em>How the Grinch Stole Christmas</em>, which doesn&#8217;t give answers, but simply says maybe Christmas was about &#8217;something more&#8217;. (This is much better than the twee answer given in the film version that Christmas is about &#8216;family&#8217;). Like Sarah, I am open to any and all suggestions. Please tell me if you have any!</p>
<p>At the moment, or at least until Sarah writes her own book she mentions in her post (!), I am going to err on the side of these children&#8217;s bibles and VeggieTales. After all the Bible has the book of Proverbs with its moralising, but often helpful day-to-day advice. Hopefully, as Savannah grows, she will also read Ecclesiastes and Job, both of which question the absolutism that Proverbs portrays (pretending there is no contradiction is the sort of Sunday school understanding I hope we all grow out of). As with those books, so with the children&#8217;s version Savannah reads now. I also hope that April and I will give deeper accounts of what it means to believe these very strange (and sometimes awful) stories are scripture. And we are hoping that people like Sarah will also have an active role in teaching Savannah about the faith where we have been unable to give a different perspective.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like to dedicate this video to my blogging friend Nick Norelli. For the rest of you, this is what to do if you find yourself in a charismatic worship service and you don&#8217;t know what to do.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>I would like to dedicate this video to my blogging friend <a href="http://rdtwot.wordpress.com/">Nick Norelli</a>. For the rest of you, this is what to do if you find yourself in a charismatic worship service and you don&#8217;t know what to do.</p>
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